Wednesday 11th 6:30 pm pub meet up & Cranleigh Society News

PUB MEETINGS GOING FORWARDS – anyone and everyone welcome to join us at Cranleigh’s  The Three Horseshoes – second Wednesday each month – December 11th, January 8th etc. Some of us go from about 6:30 pm and there is good pub food available too.  It is meant to be social and fun as well as a chance to share ideas and discuss action plans.

SAVE USED STAMPS AND SEND TO RNIB – find out here

PRIMARY SCHOOL & NURSERY REBUILD – In the wake of the JPC refusing planning permission for housing to replace the 2 schools sites – and putting multiple conditions that would make an appeal somewhat challenging for SCC,  are you keen to keep the pressure on SCC to achieve a better outcome?

The pressure would be aimed at rebuilding both schools and nursery on the existing Junior School site and to look at how this could be achieved. We agree with the JPC that the plan to put 91 dwellings on the 2 sites – opposite Glebelands school and at the end of Dewlands Lane (leads to the cemetery) – is significant over-development of the centre of the village.

The idea of building a new Junior & infants school and nursery on the area of sodden playing fields beside the Cranleigh sports & social club and bowling green feels unrealistic for multiple reasons: Access for parents and children is more difficult due to the narrow roadway to the buildings; where will people park for drop-off and pick-up and what routes will they walk?  Once the housing is all erected there looks as if there would be nowhere to park.  .  The  WBC Joint Planning Committee overruled their Officers’ advice and refused. We do appreciate that SCC has no money set aside for building a new school and nursery but even a superficial examination of the existing school demonstrates years of neglect – where has the money gone that could and should have been spent on it?  Is it in a pot somewhere and if not why not?

CRANLEIGH LEISURE CENTRE – Waverley don’t seem to have the money after all – at least not at the moment – to rebuild the Leisure Centre – so they have postponed talking about it till February – maybe then they will engage with their public – we don’t know!

HIGH STREET INITIATIVE – Cllr Andrew Povey held another meeting about the High Street and what it needs to be improved – money is available.  Write to Cllr Povey on all topics related to Surrey County Council andrew.f.povey@surreycc.gov.uk

SMART CRANLEIGH – coffee mornings are being attended by new residents and some people have discovered a few activities via their on-line calendar – they aim to be the point where anyone and everyone can “connect”  – see their web site here and enjoy all the services and clubs Cranleigh has to offer.

ROWLEYS CENTRE FOR THE COMMUNITY – OPEN 9:30AM TO 3PM Monday to Friday – Did you know that Rowleys is a facility for many age groups and needs with rooms to book and lots of helpful things to do?

CARE HOME SPACES IN CRANLEIGH?  Since many Care Homes were closed across the Country and by our Surrey County Council -including Longfields of Cranleigh – that site sits idle.   We are assured that when locals need care home nursing spaces there are plenty nearby – really?  Since the HC One & CVHT Care Home application has been refused on various planning grounds – what next?  We need Surrey County Council to get on with sorting this out.

CVHT – “Name change  – 9th December 2019 – The Cranleigh Village Hospital Trust’s proposals to bring back Community Beds to the village, and to support the provision of additional village health services, have evolved significantly over almost 20 years in the light of changing public health policy, and so we are now considering a change of Trust name to Cranleigh Village Health Trust.”

CRANLEIGH VILLAGE HOSPITAL The original building is in desperate need of loving care and attention – one can see holes in the fabric where creatures can enter – NHS Properties Ltd – have not responded to CCS’s enquiries – we want the old building looked after. We will continue chasing this.

The services the hospital provide are growing – which is great – both the NHS and the League of Friends are working on this and we can use the site for all sorts of needs that our GPs refer us for.  The burning question is can the Hospital site become an Urgent Care Centre or equivalent?  Read what NHS England tells our GPs and CCGs (links below)

URGENT CARE CENTRE FOR CRANLEIGH?  NHS England are insisting on change

The first cohort of UTCs are now operational in over 100 sites across the country.

Currently, local commissioners, supported by NHS England regions, continue to redesign urgent care services outside of A&E aiming to designate all remaining type 3&4 services as UTCs or to change their function to become other primary health care services by December 2019.  As stated in the LTP, by autumn 2020 the UTC model will be fully implemented.  This means UTCs will be embedded as part of a consistent ‘out-of-hospital urgent care’ offer in all localities with the option of appointments booked through a call to NHS 111.

ROAD SIGNS LEFT OUT BY SURREY CC – report here   SCC / do it online / A to Z of Forms / roadworks signs left on highway

 

 

Not all the green fields are going – yet!

Our fields are saved – so far! And even the trees ……

At the Waverley borough Council Joint Planning meeting on 27th November the councillors and all others spoke well and represented every view. On balance they voted to say no to HC-One & CVHT‘s planning application – the 60 bed Care Home Application with 20 community beds and health workers’ accommodation block – for reasons of  “over-development & traffic & against the Local Plan” – in essence we don’t want the field filled up and the traffic increased, but we do feel upset that their isn’t a viable way to bring beds back to Cranleigh now.

They also voted to say no to the housing on the 2 Cranleigh Primary School sites – 91 dwellings and the loss of many trees – reasons – “over-development, loss of trees, loss of village look and feel (we think)”.

They voted for the Knowle Country Park and its lake – this will go ahead and is nothing but an asset all the while it has a vibrant and caring management team – how the future will go remains to be seen but we are lucky – so long as we understand that a body of wild water is a dangerous place!  We will witness digging to provide the lake, then planting on a mass scale. The Ancient Woodland is to be preserved too – yippee.

All the councillors and visiting speakers did their best for Cranleigh.  If you follow this link you can read all the agenda pack and additional documents – here and the minutes will be published there as well.

As for the replacement Primary School project – this is not over at all.  Surrey County Council Cabinet has already approved building the new school with nursery on fields that are currently Glebelands school’s.  On December 18th their Planning and Scrutiny committee will look at this again.  see here for details and watch same space for the agenda items and agenda pack.

Surrey County Council –
Venue:   Ashcombe Suite, County Hall, Kingston upon Thames, Surrey KT1 2DN. 
 Wednesday, 18 December 2019 10.30 am, Planning and Regulatory Committee.

Our representative on this committee is Dr Andrew Povey – you can contact him here –

Phone:  01483 267 443  Mobile:  07881 655166         Bus. email:  andrew.f.povey@surreycc.gov.uk

More Green Fields in Cranleigh going

Waverley’s Joint Planning Committee – meets tonight Wednesday 27th November 6:30 pm.  They are looking at at least 4 issues – Cranleigh Care Home with Community beds and accommodation block. Cranleigh Primary School with 91 dwellings on the old sites.  Knowle Country Park development – All about Cranleigh’s green fields being used up for building works.

CVHT article in newspaper by reported Eleanor – some details not quite accurate but she has done a good job of explaining so many aspects of this project. You can read her article  here    and you could email her here – eleanor.fleming@reachplc.com    27th Nov 2019

Cranleigh Society has members with a wide variety of knowledge and views – and on Wednesday 27 November at 6.30 this issue will be fully shared with all Waverley’s Councillors on the Joint Planning Committee – you can read their briefing document here

The event will be videoed and so you can find it live or later – no need to attend.  People are not allowed to speak or heckle – only Councillors may speak by invitation.  If people wanted to speak they would have had to write in advance asking for a slot to speak – and would be given exactly 4 minutes.

Waverley Planning Committee news

Waverley’s Joint Planning Committee will meet on 27th November to discuss 3 major plans – 

WA/2018/1966 CRANLEIGH NURSING HOME – applied for by CVHT with HC-One – the Officers recommend refusal on planning grounds. 

WA/2017/1389 resite and build new PRIMARY SCHOOL – the Officers recommend this is Granted!  They believe all their planning issues have been addressed. 

WA/2019/1168  & WA/2016/2207 Knowle Country Park details – the Officers recommend this is Granted. 

If you want to go to the meeting you can, you can also ask to speak – see the web site for details.

for the AGENDA PACK – 150 pages – click here

Care Homes have nursing beds

Care Homes have nursing beds

Care Homes have nursing beds…. A Care Home near Cranleigh states that as well as residents’ rooms they have Nursing beds “For health issues that need the ongoing attention of nurses, we provide 24-hour personal specialised nursing care led by our own registered nurses chosen for their care compassion and experience.”

What has happened to CVHT’s planning application? When Cranleigh Society members met with your Waverley – 30 September – we asked about the progress of the planning application for the Care home with “community” beds plus the accommodation block for health related workers.  The planning application is WA/2018/1966 .  It was sent into Waverley last year and still has not been examined by Councillors – why?  The people of Cranleigh and surroundings villages really need to know what is going on with the project.

Waverley explained “The planning application for the Care Home & Accommodation Block is presently being considered and is regarded as unacceptable in its present form.  As a regular submission, it will be subject to the full range of policy requirements and planning obligations”  –

We asked for clarification – WBC said The plans are being recommended for refusal because of many planning issues – access, parking, affordable housing……  So they are not ready to put it to Councillors yet.

It was agreed too that the Councillors – many of whom have little idea about the convoluted history so far – need to catch up and will need many things to be explained to them.

WBC councillors for Cranleigh West are – Cllrs Liz Townsend and Patricia Ellis.  (for Cranleigh East it’s Richard Cole, Mary Foryszewski & Ruth Reed).  Liz T is on the Joint Planning Committee and Patricia E is not, but can be called as a substitute and like anyone can request to speak at a JPC meeting.  There is an expression – “call it in” which means that Councillors in a place (Ward) can ask for a public committee meeting – Joint Planing Committee (JPC) – to examine planning applications.  Liz and Patricia would be representing the public of Cranleigh and villages, who raised so much money! if they were to call it in.  But if the Officers explain that the application does not meet planning rules and regulations this might not happen – until the applicants provide further documents to make the application meet planning rules.  OK so far? 

Meanwhile – people in Cranleigh have been expressing their grave doubts about the morality of the scheme and about whether it would ever perform in the way envisaged and explained here – WBC planning application document provided by CVHT.

There are those who feel that a sum of money equal to that raised by the Charity should be found and given to the existing hospital somehow.  The reasons include feeling that the money raised has been misused. Also that the proposed double building project is massive over -development of the Paddock especially now that there are so many other users on the same bit of road at Knowle Lane.

CVHT cannot publicly tell the public what is going on until the planning application has been viewed and passed, because they are in partnership with the business HC-One.  This is seen as correct and reasonable apparently by WBC advisors.

In the meantime the NHS has reviewed its situation and decided that the A&E departments are over stretched by people who can walk in and need some minor injuries or illnesses looked at urgently.  They want all of England to have Urgent Care Centres. You can read their report of 2017 here on NHS England’s web site.  They say that our Clinical Commissioning Group must make decisions about where Urgent Care is sited by this Christmas.  The press has recently reported that Haslemere Minor Injuries unit is not under threat of closure, and we understand it may be upgraded to an Urgent Care Centre. There are discreet differences – some problems can only be seen at the UCC. Urgent Care Centres have doctors present, Minor Injuries Units do not. If you have sickness & diarrhoea or a pregnancy related problem you need UCC.

To date the NHS has always said they would not support new local hospital beds in small places like Cranleigh. However the Royal Surrey stated recently that can’t handle any more A&E visits. Policy changes so often who knows what it will be next?

Did you know that in years past when Cranleigh Hospital was available to deal with sick and injured children and adults the service was not costing the NHS any extra?   The nurses were there to look after people in the beds.  The GPs were on call at the Practice so they popped into the hospital when called, for no extra charge to the NHS. So the NHS downgraded the services we could find in Cranleigh – but thanks to the League of Friends working tirelessly with the NHS some services are now in place in the old hospital – but no beds – ever.

A Guide to Funding the Cost of Care here 

HC-One care homes link here

An HC-One care home states – “….Home Manager makes sure that all Residents receive the kindest possible care. Our extensively trained team will deliver all the nursing, specialist care and support services that your loved one requires. Personalised care plans consider not only medical, personal and dietary needs, but also the individual’s likes and dislikes, religious preferences, and suggestions from family members that might make their stay with us that little bit more enjoyable.”

If the planning application goes to the Joint Planning Committee (JPC) the Councillors will have to consider the Planning application, not the CVHT fund raising or the private nursing home company’s profits. The public can ask to speak at the meeting and can watch it on line on the day.

The next JPC is on 27th November at 6:30 in the Godalming WBC offices.  The Agenda has not yet been publicised. 

If you want to see the latest at the NHS decision making machine try here Guildford & Waverley Clinical Commissioning Group

Care Homes have nursing beds

Care Home & Accommodation Block

CVHT & HC-One information and update – Did you know?

Cranleigh Village Hospital Trust (CVHT) has a Covenant on the land- formally known as The Paddock– with Cranleigh Parish Council.  The wording of the Covenant was changed legally from “Not at any time to use the Property for any purpose other than for the benefit of the local community including recreation use” in 2010 to the following in 2013:

“Not at any time to use the Property for any purpose other than:

  1. Use as a care or nursing home
  2. Any medical or healthcare use
  3. Any Community use
  4. Any other use which Cranleigh Parish Council approves (such approval not to be unreasonably withheld or delayed).

The solicitor states that this Covenant is legally binding and the land exchange cannot be reversed without the consent of both parties.

see links: Cranleigh Parish Council’s website has all the history of the meetings and agreements on its website –

News/Cranleigh village Hospital Trust/8 March 2019

then 5 September 

News/Cranleigh Village Hospital Trust/  5 Sept 2019.

You might also like to read the websites for yourself: Cranleigh Hospital League of Friends

And Here Cranleigh Village Hospital Trust

In addition – in 2010 the Parish Council’s solicitor and CVHT’s solicitor organised an informal exchange of letters – not a legally binding agreement – about the future of the land if not built on within 5 years of the land transfer (15 Dec 2010): “discussions will take place between the parties regarding the site and its future use”

Cranleigh Parish Council agreed to CVHT and the land owner of a nearby field creating a replacement and better sports field that has full sized football pitches on it at their  cost (circa £90k). The field is bounded by land which is being turned into a public park which has been approved by Waverley Borough Council. The access for the Park is being shared by Bruce Mackenzie Field and that work was recently completed. Bruce Mackenzie Field has full right of access to Knowle Lane.

A care home provider named HC One has applied for planning permission with the Charity Cranleigh Village Hospital Trust in 2018  to build a Care home which includes 20 Community Beds. They believe that the  NHS and Surrey County Council will take out contracts with HC-One to use the beds – meaning if people need a Community bed they can be offered a bed in Cranleigh – free at the point of use.The occupancy of the BEDS will be decided by the National Health Service and Surrey County Council – e.g. anyone who needs hospital care but not acute attention and who lives in and around the area.  The NHS and SCC state that this will usually be people who live in and nearby to Cranleigh.

Medical staff and Social Care staff state there is a great need for community beds that provide care for respite care, continuing care, convalescence, rehabilitation, and end of life care.  CVHT & its supporters state that there is a shortage of community beds (to relieve acute hospitals), care home places and accommodation that lowest paid staff can afford.

There is also a lot of work going on to promote this site as an excellent Care Home and Community Beds – better than most – helped by the villagers to ensure very high standards.

Did you know that the planning application includes a separate building – an Accommodation Block comprising 26 bedrooms with en-suite bathrooms, and 2 kitchens – one on each of two floors?

CVHT will have control over occupancy of the rooms and are not bound by “Key workers” definitions as this is a private, discrete development. It will be to provide low cost housing for any health workers in the area.

For more information please see Waverley’s web site. click here – WBC Planning

Don’t forget that people can always get help to look at the internet by going to our excellent Library staff who have computers and time to help. 

Waverley Borough council website – planning applications  code WA/2018/1966 Valid From 05/11/2018

LAND SOUTH OF JOHN WISKAR DRIVE ON EAST SIDE OF, KNOWLE LANE, , CRANLEIGH,

Erection of a building to provide an 80 bed care home including 20 community beds together with a building to provide health workers accommodation with access from knowle lane associated parking and ancillary works.

WBC Meetings

Joint Planning Committee
Wednesday, 25th September, 2019 6.30 pm

The agenda does not include this planning application – we will look out for a meeting that does. 

Venue: Council Chamber, Council Offices, The Burys, Godalming